i am looking for a bow that will last for 10+ years and the pros and cons of these two bows

are they worth the money?



THanks

Witch fits you best? Your shooting style? Is it best suited for they type of hunting you do? I would consider shooting "the truth" before you make up your mind.

You definately need to shoot both bows....................while the X force is fast,I have heard it is difficult for some to draw,I have heard the Drenalin retains it's speed even with lighter limbs(70-60 limbs, the fps drop off was only 8 fps.)..............shoot them and some others as well,buy the one that suits you best.

the Drenalin is too small for me! I have an LX and love it...I just thought the Drenalin was too "slim"...that is their sale on that bow right now is slim limb design...I just thought it was too tiny for my liking...sweet shooting but felt weird...haven't shot the pse

check out www.pse-archery.com and watch the test conducted by an unbiased judge. The results speak which bow out of these two are better. Some say the test was unfair, I say shut up and color, sorry you have an outdated bow now and PSE did it again! PSE has set the standards once again and now just wait until next year when most companies will follow in their footsteps and hit the 350+ FPS range.

Another thing is all these people are sold on the "Truth" bow, tell me how many of you would even consider this bow if it didn’t have Primos name on it, thats what I thought! I think it’s a nice little bow and all but come on, if it wasn’t for Primos name this bow wouldn’t get half the hype it gets.

Lastly.......just like the other said, shoot em and shoot a few others also and pick the one that feels great to you and has what you’re looking for in a bow. Good luck, I know which bow I am buying in two weeks!

I would take the PSE. I shot it several times at the ATA show and it was awesome.


Now I have Mach X and a Truth bow and I can tell you that the Truth bow is in the same class as the Mach X. You get a great bow for less money. Shoot what fits your hand and your budget. Deer, turkey, hogs, bear, elk and caribou won't know the difference.

Aaron-

When you get your new PSE, we'll have to get together and shoot. I'm curious to see how it stacks up to my new Ross Cardiac
Seriously, it would be nice to get together and shoot.

Take care.

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Another thing is all these people are sold on the "Truth" bow, tell me how many of you would even consider this bow if it didn’t have Primos name on it, thats what I thought! I think it’s a nice little bow and all but come on, if it wasn’t for Primos name this bow wouldn’t get half the hype it gets.

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I for one believe the truth is an excellent bow irregardless of the name on it. Bear archery represents quality and value in the products they produce. I shot several bows prior to purchasing the "Truth" and it was the bow that had the best fit and suites my needs as a bow hunter. Virtually every bow manufacturer has a quiet and fast bow on the market this year. Find the one that fits you and start slinging arrows. The game you harvest could care less what name is on your equipment. It comes down to being able to place the arrow in the kill zone or in the x ring on a consistent basis regardless of the equipment brand.

Raven -

I don't have the Truth bow, so I haven't read any of the forums regarding it. My question to you being an owner, how has the factory string been holding up for you? I was told it wasn't really that good out of the box, and that is one of the down things about the bow. I'm not bad mouthing anything, I'm just curious from the "horses mouth". Thanks for your honesty in advance.

Hey Buddy,

Just bought it today, PSE X-Force. Man does it fly, all the hype about this one was right on. Anytime your ready to put that Ross to the test just let me know and we can have some fun. Cant wait until tomorrow, thats when I am going back to shoot a few hundred arrows so I can fully tune the bow, should be fun.

I have not had any problems with the factory string or serving as some have reported. When I do replace the string I am going to get a winners choice. in the same color combination.

-Raven

I've been shooting my X-Force for a couple of months and love it. It's shootable and accurate. My muzzy 3 blades group next to perfect with my field points. I can't wait till September!

PSE= Piece of Shi? Excuse for a bow
P S E


GET a matthews!

you give the me the extra money to buy a mthewws and i will

That's the good thing about living in the good ole USA! Everyones free to think and express their opinion. Sounds like you had some bad past experiance with PSE. Mathews is top notch, no dening that, but as of late PSE is catching up and probably sold more bows than anyone in the past decade. If they weren't putting out quality, old Pete would've shut the doors years ago. I think the new has worn off of Mathews and they are now way overated and over priced!!!And from the sound of it, you haven't shot an X-Force and generally don't have a clue


The msrp on the X-Force is $800

i know how much it is i just got enough to get the pse and god sights and stuff on it i dont want to go and buy stuff that i will need to replace in 2 or 3 years

You really have no idea what you are talking about. I expect this from a Mathews shooter, you people are all the same, so dang blind by the mathews light! The X-Force is twice the bow that little cute Drenalin is. POS, I think not, get a clue and do some researching before you open your mouth. Sorry your mathews can only dream about what my bow is actually doing. One last thing before I wait for your lack of knowledge comeback........a mathews shooter actually stated the X-Force is the new leader of the pack, at least he understands and recognize a good bow when he sees one and is not blinded by the name on the bow. How much does mathews pay you to stay loyal and talk up their propaganda? What a funny guy we have here.

ah, come on guys, that was just to easy to pass up. i was just seeing if i could get you going i accualy like pse's and have owned a couple. i dont really like the way their risers are built but i do really like their bows. so come on you cant tell me that wasn't a little funny right???

okay it was a little funny now that I think about it, but you cant be serious with the statements you made and think your going to get away with it . Some people accually believe what you wrote and I still cant understand why, maybe it wasnt their favorite company that had the break thru. Oh well, you got me going , that was a good one.

HAHA well at least i only let i go on for a little while before i came clean

I love my Truth bow
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Had me going!!!

Sorry but the Truth or lack of it I shoud say doesnt hold a light to either of these two bows being mentioned, its a nice second tier bow though.

I actually shot the truth before I bought my X-Force. Fred bear bows are also top quality, top tier bows. One of the oldest bow companies around. I was very impressed with the feel, and the shootability of this bow. Comfortable at full draw, and vibration free as well. I just had to have the X-Force because it is also a firm and comfortable shooter that will shoot lights out, smoking fast. I'm also a PSE staff shooter, so I had a chance to get the X-Force at a price about the same as the Truth bow. There's a whole bunch of excellent shooting bows on the market now and it's a shame a man has to only choose 1. My suggestion is shoot as many as you can get your hands on and decide, by feel, which one you would prefer, not just looking at a name on the bow.

and then in two months the cams are screwed up and the strings are shot, read some of the articals on the net and this site, I could care less if bear will fix the problem. If you ask me that problem shouldnt happen so many times that it does. The only thing great about this bow is the price, its a nice bow but doesnt belong in the top five bows out right now. nothing like waiting a week or two to get your bow back and then starting the tuning process over again, they just need to address the minor issues with this bow and then maybe it would be a reliable, good bow to choose. Just my opinion.

HA, aint that the TRUTH! sorry i couldn't pass that easy one up i've never shot the truth so i couldn't tell you anything about them: but that was funny!

There comes a time when every archer has to set down and determine what is important to them. Archery is such a personal sport. This means fit, feel, and choice. All companies make great equipment or they will not be around long. The equipment is just part of the process. It is the archer behind the equipment and the people behind the companies that make the differences. Speed sells a lot of bows and does help if your yardage judging ability is off. Every archer owes it to the animals they pursue to be the best they possibly can. There is a reason you will not see many, if any, 6" brace height bows on a target and/or 3D line and if so, not many on the podium when $$ is on the line. They are not as forgiving (ie. accurate) as a longer brace height bow and requires better form to achieve the accuracy desired. Longer brace heights normally translates into slower speed. Find a happy medium and be happy knowing you made a great decision. To my knowlegde no bow speed even approaches the reaction time of a deer. If the arrows group shoot 'em, if you are happy with the bow shoot it, but I am going to shoot the most accurate bow I can find for me, regardless of speed. Irregardless of the speed, accuracy and forgiveness must come first in the woods. If you can not hit the spot you are aiming at or judge the distance to the target within a couple of yards or can not make the shot under pressure, the speed of the arrow missing the target is irrelevant or even worse hitting the target with a misplaced shot. In closing, love what you shoot, shoot what you love to shoot, and be thankful others are shooting. I have heard great things about all the bows mentioned, but believe me no one has made a perfect bow yet, but they will try every year to improve on the previous version. When they stop making changes we will probably stop buying it anyway because we will determine in must be obsolete since it is the same as it was last year.
Later,
Bill Lewis

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, dont know what to say about that ?? AMEN??

Bill offers some very good advice.

I have shot both the Dren and the X-Force, and I will tell you that they are about as far apart on the archery scale as they come. Since you are looking for a "hunting" bow, I would personally point you in the direction of the Drenalin. The X-Force is fast...there is no doubt about that. But, drawing that joker at 70#s is like drawing most other bows at 80#s. Its a very harsh draw, especially compared to the Mathews. They are both very quiet, and have very little hand shock. A shop near me that sells both models has the Dren priced $30 more than the PSE...so price isn't that much of a factor.

I have been blessed to take several animals with a bow over the past few years. And I have done a bit of learning and reflecting on what it takes to be successful. When I was in college, it was 73#s...and arrows so light that technically they voided my warranty. And I had nothing but passthroughs. Now, I shoot a variety of different bows..from a 60# to a 64#...and with both of them...nothing but passthroughs. I remember well shooting my first deer with a bow...at an astounding 190 fps....and even with that $60 pawn shop bow...I had nothing but passthroughs. Just keep that in mind when it comes to speed and power.

That said...I am going to recommend a bow that most people have not heard about. And that is the High Country Iron Mace. If you are looking for the best built bow in the market today....this is it. It has the absolute best componets of any bow...Winners Choice Strings, Barnsdale limbs, 6061 Machined aluminum risers, and uses the same cam system that Bowtech does (only they call it the Trinary Cam). Its warranty is down to 3gpp, which means you can shoot a 210gr arrow at 70#s, which depending on your draw can hit speeds approaching 400 fps. I shoot this bow at 64# with a 454gr arrow and its speed is 282fps...plenty of energy, and enough speed to get it there quickly. I prefer a heavier arrow for hunting. Price wise...its less than both the Dren and the X-Force....HCA has a program going on where you can get the bow for $50 under wholesale right now....right around $500. Do a google search and find their website. They are very nice bows...and the reason I bought mine...is just because its built like a tank. The IBO speed is right around 330fps....and the brace height is a generous 7 5/8". Its a great hunting bow.

there web site is -------- www.highcountryarchery.com
I know it cause i'm trying for the second time to get them to replace my limbs that have cracked 2 times in 2 yrs! thus the reason that i just bought a Mathews this year and said the heck with them! they might be a complete different bow now but i'm totally not impressed by my old bow [ by old i mean just 2 yrs old]

Hunter's friend.com just did some testing on the x force and they were extremely happy with it. They have been around for a while and are very fair in their evaluations.

WELL TO PROVE I DONT JUST WANT TO BASH HIGH COUNTRY ARCHERY, I JUST GOT A HOLD OF THEM AND THE LIMBS ARE LIFETIME WARRENTY. THE FIRST TIME THEY JUST EXCHANGED THE BOW THIS TIME I NEED TO SEND IT BACK TO THEIR COMPANY AND THEY WILL REPLACE THE LIMBS. ALTHOUGH I DONT LIKE THE IDEA THAT THEY'VE BROKE TWICE , I WILL SAY THEY HAVE DONE A GOOD JOB IN STANDING BEHIND THEIR PRODUCT.!

I'm not sure which bow your talking about, but both have excellant warranties and will fix any problems that come up. Your right, I haven't triied the truth for long term, just shot it in the shop. I'm not worried about my PSE because it does in fact have a limited lifetime warranty. I may have to replace axles and the string and cables, but aside from that just worry free shooting. I would hate to think how many shots I year I log,several thousand for sure. So I do expect to replace the axles and string and cables, every year, regardless of the brand name of the bow.

I was talking about that Truth bow. Now dont get me wrong, I love Primos and everything they stand for, but reviews about this Truth bow goes to show you get what you pay for. Maybe next years Truth series bow will not have the Cam and string problems. I want a bow that will not faulter under any cirumstances (if there is such a bow ), I dont give a rats you know what about warrenties, I cant see shooting my brand new bow for a few months and they shipping it back to Bear for how ever long it takes for them to fix their mistakes and get it back to me. Lets say I bought the Truth last month and say in late July I have the problems some people are reporting, how long will it take to get back and re-tune the bow before Sept 1st come around (dont forget work and family take time before getting your bow re-ready). Fred bear almost folded once and before Primos teamed up with them you really didnt hear to much about Bear, other than the legenday name itself. What I mean is you take 100 achers two or three years ago and see what they where shooting I am sure not a big % was shooting Fred Bear bows. Primos got em back on the map in my opinion. If I am wrong please give me a correct link to read about, I love to read about anything doing with archery. Also my first bow was a youth Bear, back before they had to come up with a new flashy logo!

I would suppose some 's reluctance to latch on to a PSE might have something to do with the fact that for about 15 years, (aside from the G-force) PSE has put out very few bows that were worth shooting compared to their competitors of same years... say what you want, that is my oppinion.

How terrible it is to be generalized as one who is "blind by the Mathew's light", honestly, is that not the same as making fun of your neighbors new Hummer? PSE may have come out (finally) with a bow able to compete, but was it not many other companies over the last several years that set the standard...
The only reason I would have suggested anyone should buy a PSE previous to this year is if they were dirt poor and wanting to get into the sport.

PSE has finally got back in the game and that is great, it is about time... as for me, i will continue to be "blinded" untill the X-force becomes a bow that has been around long enough to get a good reputation, Ya know, Kinda like my SwitchBack...

BTW... take no offense PSEers it is perfectly normal for one who has just spent 700-800 on a bow to think that there is nothing better out there...

OK I was not member until I came across this topic. First I do own I X- Force and a The Truth also have shot the Derlian alot. The Truth is a very nice bow, one of the best bows on the market. The Derny is also a sweet shooter, feels a little better then the The Truth. I don't like the grip on the Derny, Torqueless grips are nice upgrade. The X-Force is different then the other two bows it has a 6 inch brace height which scares alot of people, but if I can shoot it as good as the other two bows anybody can. If you pull 65lbs with the Derlian and shoot 280fps you will only have to pull 55lbs with X. So yeah it may feell like you are pulling more but at 55lbs it feels alot lighter then the Derny 65lbs. The reason it feels like you are pulling more is because you pull the full weight longer before it breaks. the price at my dealer is 550.00 for The Truth, 635.00 for the Derny, and 800.00 for the X. All three bows shoot better than I do!

Sounds like everyone has done their homework and minds are made up. Bottom line, if you are not comfortable shooting a bow or a brand of bow, then by all means get something else. You, the ''bow shooter'' doesn't have confidence in certain equipment, or your abilities to shoot that equipment, then you will never shoot it like you should. It all comes down to personal preference. You should shoot the equipment that you shoot the best with. I shoot 3-D, but I am a hunter first and foremost, and I just happen to shoot PSE. I practice constantly and have the confidence in my abilities and my equipment.

All right boys, lets all face it, hunters have been arguing about which bow is better for as long as their have been bows to argue about!! Just like men have been arguing about Ford, Chevy, and Dodge since they all came on the consumer market. It's all about what works best for you. I know some of you all wanna play the big wheel and buy the highest priced setup that you can, but money don't kill deer, elk, moose, or any other game that you pursue. If you can't make the shot, your $1500 setup don't mean jack!! Hunting in general has become so impacted by advertisement that it's gotten everyone to thinking that if you don't buy a new bow every year and oufit it with the highest priced garb that you can, you can't kill an animal, but they are only fooling themselves. Also in reply to montanaelkslayer,
I don't care what kinda bow or any other product you buy, lemons come in all of them. Mathews, Hoyt, Bear and all the other companies don't give warranties with their bows for nothing, they know that everything wears out or fails at some point in time regardless of how good you take care of it. Just my opinion!!!

And by the way, I shoot the Truth and love it!!! But boys the X-Force is one bad peice of machinery, I have a cousin who is a PSE prostaffer and I shot his several times. Very Quiet and forgiving factoring in the 350fps and the 6" brace heighth.

PSE...OR...Mathews???

Well, no one will sway the young pups of the archery world from the written FPS said to be given by the PSE X. One day they will see that speed plus a short brace height get you...AS FAST MISS on a animal.
I have shot PSE since 1974. I changed to a Mathews Denalin this late fall. I changed after my PSE Mach 10 limb split AGAIN.
Now, I know more than most that PSE is very good with taking care of problems with their bows. So, no problem they fix them. But, wow, who wants to go thru it? If your like me and hang at the pro shops for a day or two a week you will notice the bows hanging in the back room for repair. If you havent, look. You will see and hear more about PSE limb problems than most. Anyway, I like PSE a lot. But, Mathews is my bow and I like it A LOT!~!

Have to jump in here and give my two cents, I agree with bushwacker, if you can't shoot it well, it does not matter who made it. Last year I "had" to have the NEW mathews XT. After 4 months of messing with it and a missed deer in the season I traded it in! Just couldn't shoot it worth a darn. Lost confidence in your equipment sure takes the fun out of shooting and makes you second guess your ability. I had owned 3 mathews bows before the XT and I shot all really well, swore I would never shoot anything else. So newest doesn't mean squat. Switched to a Hoyt and couldn't be happier with the way I shoot it, just wish it didn't weigh so much. Just shoot what feels right.

Every bow company out there has a certain amount, or percent of problems. PSE is one of if not the largest bow company there is. So it stands to reckon that they will have more numbers of bows that require warranty work to be done. As far as speed goes, yea, my X-Force is a speed bow and I shoot it very well, out to 70 yards in fact, 4 inch groups with broadheads. I've had other so called more foregiving bows, and less radical designed bows, and I shoot the X-Force far better than I ever did any of the other bows I have shot. And for the Primos Pro Staff fellow that came in and triied to put the bug of doubt in the thread about the X-Force, no wonder you don't recommend it, ya'll don't shoot for PSE anymore, so it makes since that you said what you did about it. So point is if you haven't shot the X-Force, then there is no merit in your opinion. Go shoot one, and give it an honest run, then post up.

I have only a few things left to say about this run down thread. First you all cry about a 6 inch BH......Learn to shoot a dang bow with correct form and you wont have any problems! Second the PSE X Force 7 is either availible now or shortly, yes that means you can have an X-Force with a 7 inch BH, but you loose some speed. I could care less who is standing on a podium shooting at a stuffed deer, thats not most peoples goal on here that are asking about hunting bow, not tricked out target bows! One more fact for ya to chew on, the PSE X-Force does what a Drenalin or any other bow for that matter does set at 60 pounds compared to the nearest competitors 70 pound pull, so no "joker" has to pull 70#'s if they cant handle the weight. Find something else to report about the X-Force because it sure shouldnt be about accuracy, bh (anymore), standing on a podium or pulling to much pounds. All in all find some facts that is wrong with this bow instead of complaining about poor shooting form being the reasons you cant shoot a 6in bh!

I expect you all to lash out on this one, its not intended for any one person, just a statement.

PSE sucks

No I'm just kidding. I think that the Drenilin and the X Force have different pros and cons. But between them there about the same. It is all about what the shooter likes and what he thinks is better.

Oh boy what fun! Here is my input Shoot bought bows and then check the warrentys since you plan on keeping the bow for 10 or more years. Be honest with your self not letting people influence you. Then check with people who owns bought bows for thier experience with customer service to make sure you can get the warranty work done hassle free. Now having said that I personnally shoot PSE and have great customer service and fast turn around on repairs, now the people who shoot Matthews may also have the same experience as I have with PSE or maybe not check around since the bows you mentioned are quite expensive.

i guess i dont understand what your saying is it a misspelling?? [ i mean the "bought bows" part??????????]