http://www.hunt101.com/showphoto.php?photo=485390
http://www.hunt101.com/showphoto.php?photo=485388
I took the Pic to measure his beard on him and it was in the sun with my phone you can see part of his face in the bottom right hand corner will this count and in the second pic it shows that was the bed of the truck i was on?

Sam I'm sorry but I need to see the entire tape measurer.

You know let me add my two cents. You know with all the detail you require for a contest you would think that the ones that run it don't trust the other members here.

For examples a date in the pic???? Big deal all you say when you require stuff like this is that WE don't trust you to be honest nothing more........

We require the beard to be attached?????????? Again you are saying we don't trust you as you are not trust worthy and might try to slip a LOOOOONG beard from another hunt in LMAO!

I have held some of the best turkey constest on the net for my members in past years and gave away hunts and 30 some odd prizes and you know what not one time did I ever think or even question anything that my members posted and why for one thing we are like a family.

It blows my mine that it seems that every contest on here it always seems that no one trust's anyone and that everyone is going to lie about the harvest.

It's like me I cut my beard off and you know what I could care less if my bird gets entered of not because I know what my measurements are and if that is not good enough fine with me I won't lose no sleep but I have seen a few things questioned and from what I seen a couple things were BS!

Sam is a stand up guy and wouldn't lie bout a beard that isn't that long anyways. I might understood this if he was saying it was 13 inches but he isn't.

I just checked the entries and found a score that just the last 2 inches of the beard was taken in the pic and it counted. But I don't doubt that the beard wasn't the length stated either.

I don't think its that they don't trust us all but it is a fact in other contest some were not trust worthy...

he gave the rules and they are not that difficult to follow.

[quote]2-A picture of the beard length with the beard still attached to the bird.Show the beginning of the tape at the base of the beard(not buried in feathers)[quote]....doesn't seem all that difficult

I'm sure Sams can be trusted and the beard is as long as he says it is, but if he takes his word for it and enters it than he would have to do the same for everyone...and not everyone will be honest!

Ok.... and even if the bird was attached to the bird and you could see the whole tape measure then i could still cheat but i wouldn't and this birds base was a 1 in wide and i could have split the beards and made it a huge double bearded bird but i wouldn't cheat.... but this is the second bird i have killed this year and they were both great birds and i might not kill abird this big or even kill another bird.. i mean you can see the bird is big in the picture of me and the bird and then you can still see the head in the picture.. but oh well

TS,

You wouldn't happen to remember all the questions over 2050z's deer, would you? He took all the proper pictures and measured everything right, yet several members still questioned his final score. The same thing happened to one or two others. You're in the contest, so you know what the rules and the requirements are for submitting an entry. Knowing that, you should also know that you need to take a camera to the field with you so you can take several good pictures following those requirements, or at least take them when you get back home or to camp before you remove the beard and/or field dress the animal. Most everyone has a digital camera these days, so taking a dozen pictures to make sure you have a good one doesn't cost a penny more that just taking one.

I'm not going to apologize for having these rules - they keep the honest man honest, the dishonest man honest, and they ensure the integrity of all entries so that no member will have grounds to question the score.

Good words Wes! TS, its not that we(the mods) don't trust people. The fact is that the members don't trust one another. Everyone knew what the rules were when they signed up. If they didn't, its their fault, no one else's! If Randolph allows an entry that is not according to the rules, he'll have 15 other teams griping about it! If everyone will just go by the rules(play nice now) this will be another great contest. Its really for fun anyway!!

Guys I trust Sam,and I don't believe anyone who has entered a bird thus far has fudged a measurement in the least bit.Thing is TS you weren't in the contest last year when a 2" spur was entered,and you couldn't even see the beginning of the tape.The rules were stated plain and simple before the contest was started.I haven't seen many 11"+ beards this year,and haven't seen many spurs over 1 1/8".That tells me something must be different.

Also with things being so close we want everyone to measure from the same spot.And this way there will be no last minute bickering.As if it isn't enough to run a contest we shouldn't have to settle more disputes over measurements(Like last year).

SO far I have turned 3 people down.But I have had 13 correct entries.It's not that hard to do.I know it is easy to forget things during the heat of the moment,but we still have to go by the rules.

Last year I denied my friend Robbie's first turkey even though I called it up for him and watched him shoot it.I cleaned it,but we didn't get his pics,so I couldn't allow it.I think that shows how fair I am.

Sam I understand you are upset,but you have to understand why I can't accept the entry.I'm sorry and it is nothing personal,just running the contest by the rules.

I understand just mad at myself for not getin the rest of the tape in the picture i took them with my phone and it was in the sun and i couldn't see the screen just aimed it and took it but i hope it won't be my last bird this year only hunted three days and killed two good birds already so maybe i can keep it up!

Sam, I sure hope you get another bird!! Good luck!

I am one of the three that have been turned down. Yes I was bummed, this was the first turkey I had ever killed. Thankfully, I was blessed with a second bird to enter. My second bird was smaller in beard length and spur length, HOWEVER, Randolph- you are absolutly correct by going by the rules. The rules are clearly posted and posted for a reason. I took the incorrect pictures therefore it is my bad not anyone elses. This was my first contest so its all new to me. I was not near a computer so that I could review the rules before I took the pictures. I took the pictures with the intent of showing the measurement and not thinking about people not trusting me or my starting measurement point. When I got home and was going to enter my pictures, it was then that I realized I screwed up. That was when I wrote Randolph Cox and told him that I screwed up. I knew I had because I reread the rules posted and they were clear on what pictures needed to be posted. Randolph, from a guy that had an entry denied, You and the other Mods doing a great job and thanks for your hard work.

Thanks.It's not that we mods don't trust ya'll it is that we want to have a clear set of rules to make things fair,and to prevent any bickering over "He didn't measure it like this,I can't see his tape,That beard doesn't look that long,Those spurs don't look right,and so on"

It gets to be a hassle for the mods to deal with nit picking,and kills the fun of the contest which is what it is intended for to start with.We are not going to win a new benelli or anything.

Of course you may get 1 or 2 people out of 170 that will try us out.Not the regulars like Sam,but someone who may be new,and may or may not be mis-measuring on purpose.Bad thing is that we do have to come up with these rules to prevent any of that.Unfortunately honest people may suffer,but if everyone takes an extra minute to get all of their ducks in a row there will be no problem.

You guys see that I will work with you,and in most cases the participants have not cheated but actually been shorting themselves.

Sam I hope there are no hard feelings and you know I'm just doing my job.Good luck and I hope you get another one and it's bigger.

There's always one in the family (TS)Come on you knew the rules before you signed up. Don't complain about them now. If people don't like the way things are run here and they feel they do it better, then go. The rest of us are here just for fun. You guys (moderators) do a good job, keep it up and don't let a few get you down.

Just one more note - if anyone has a problem with the way any of the contests are run or with any of the rules, let one of the mods know before the contest starts. Rules are rules, but before we post the sign-up sheet anything goes. If you want to add/subtract rules or change anything, let us know and we'll get some opinions on it before we start the signup. Once that's open, the rules are set until the contest is over. In my eyes, once someone signs up for a contest they're agreeing to follow the set of rules posted before the contest begins.

I want everyone to keep in mind that we try to run things - contests and forums both - as fair and unbiased as possible. Also remember that everything we do here is for y'all. If you have any problems or suggestions with the forum, contests or even the mods, let us know.

Hey, that's good odds!

Just for the record, this forum used to be more fun. I joined back around the same time Wes did, so I have witnessed many changes over the years.
Very "official" these days, but a good bit of the fun has been sqeezed out of it. Can't believe a guy can kill a couple of good birds this early in the spring and be made to feel dissappointed when sharing the news with friends. What a shame.

I don't know where that comes from.B&D.I'm very happy for Sam.He has taken some excellent birds this year.Just because they can't be entered doesn't make that any different.I have seen where me and alot of others have gave him congrats on his birds.

The rules of this contest were not entirely made up by the mods.I ask for suggestions to make this contest better every year.The 2 new rules were requested BY THE MEMBERS.I'm just doing my job.

We are trying to make the contest so that there is not a debate over an entry.Not that the mods do not trust all the members,but that we want to keep peace here during the run of the contest.

However it does seem like whenever we try to appease the members there is still someone who will not like something about the contest.We made the rules up before hand.I don't understand when we ask is everyone satisfied with the contest rules before hand and no one speaks out.Then in the middle of the contest there is a problem,because someone forgot to take their pictures.

We are just doing what we are supposed to do when it comes to running the contest.It is nothing personal,and I hope everyone understands that.I would like to think that everyone who knows me and has seen me here over the years would know that I am a very fair person,and I will work with anyone.

Good luck to everyone.

I was to late to enter the turkey contest but next year will be different.


Just remember mods

You can't please all the people all the time

I did not get to score one and I didnt even try because...........

I knew the rules going in and when I saw my pictures did not meet the criteria I learned a valuable lesson. Take your time and get the shot.

I don't see what's so hard about following rules that are preset. You know you're in the contest, you know what you have to do to get your bird entered. It's that simple. Randolph even posted example pictures. Follow the rules or don't enter the contest it's that simple.


Rex

Arlo your bird does count,and I posted it for you.