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post Jul 2 2010, 08:34 PM
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So the newest "tactic" from the feds for battling the illegal immigration and drug cartel problem along the border is to simply "close the land to the public." A scenic national parkland in Arizona where wildlife abounds that attracted thousands of law-abiding visitors each year has had a portion deemed off limits because criminals from south of the border have flourished there. Now that makes real sense....if a problem becomes too big to handle for this pathetic administration, the answer is to just ignore it and tell the citizens whose tax dollars have paid for it they can't enjoy it anymore. OUTRAGEOUS ! mad.gif

What they ought to do is open the problem area up to public hunting by licensed American men and women.....then declare OPEN SEASON ON CRIMINALS CROSSING THE BORDER !

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/07/02/exclu...land-mans-land/
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post Jul 2 2010, 10:06 PM
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That sounds fair to me. just open a season on them.

i have heard a little about that on the News, here in the last few weeks, several people have been shoot by the drug traffickers.

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post Jul 2 2010, 10:37 PM
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WOW. i guess we just gave it to em for a stagging area, absolutely rediculous.

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post Jul 2 2010, 11:36 PM
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if that isn't grounds for a military presence i don't know what is. and we STILL have people whining about arizona trying to do something.

you know, this is far from just obama's fault. bush, and a republican congress did virtually nothing about this crap either. the United States is much like a house. now, when someone attacks you in your house, you may chase them out, but only a fool does it, while leaving the doors and windows wide open, with the wife and kids there, defenseless. the same with the border. you don't send 200,000 troops to counter attack an enemy, and do absolutely NOTHING to seal the borders. I mean they didn't even really try, either of them.

I bet if these illegals were crossing the border on the white house lawn, we'd see some border security in action. but, same ole "us and them" story.

the most well funded government in the history of the world. primos won't allow the words i want to use, so lets just say this "concerns" me.
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post Jul 6 2010, 01:20 AM
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if that isn't grounds for a military presence i don't know what is... you know, this is far from just obama's fault. bush, and a republican congress did virtually nothing about this crap either...
the most well funded government in the history of the world..."

Sorry that I had to shorten your post. I thought that I was going to need the space.

Actually it all goes back further than that. The Posse Comitatus Act precludes the use of the U.S. Military in domestic law enforcement. Congress didn't want other nations (the Communist International) to be able to say that the U.S. Government is kept in power by the military rather than the will of the people. This is only one instance where the communists (out side the country) and the socialists (inside our country) have used hypothetical arguments to get our government to act contrary to the best interests of our people.

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post Jul 6 2010, 01:54 AM
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I think it all boils down to votes. Nobody (politician) wants to put their neck on the line for a problem dealing with a certain race.

This is truly ridiculous. We are always trying to save the world from problems but seemingly fail to address the major issues we have inside our own borders! That's what is irritating to me the most!

Until somebody will step up the plate and be alright with ticking a lot of people off nothing will change. Our forefathers have rolled themselves over in the grave enough to make a tunnel system for this country similar to Vietnams. How pathetic.


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post Jul 6 2010, 02:44 AM
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that is insane, ridiculous!

they do need to have a open season on them. and it should be no limit, and you can go whenever you want to.


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post Jul 6 2010, 03:44 AM
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Sorry that I had to shorten your post. I thought that I was going to need the space.

Actually it all goes back further than that. The Posse Comitatus Act precludes the use of the U.S. Military in domestic law enforcement. Congress didn't want other nations (the Communist International) to be able to say that the U.S. Government is kept in power by the military rather than the will of the people. This is only one instance where the communists (out side the country) and the socialists (inside our country) have used hypothetical arguments to get our government to act contrary to the best interests of our people.

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I have a basic understanding of this act, although I don't know the details of it. Because of your former career, obviously you must be pretty aware of the details of not just what is going on there, but how this act would, or would not apply. So i have a question or two. I have heard many complaints that the Mexican military in fact makes crossing our border a common practice. Has this been your experience, or something that you are aware of? And if it is in fact the case, is that not enough reason to have a military presence? Also, if there is no credible info showing the Mexican military cross, wouldn't foreign groups, crossing the border, seizing land, be something other than a domestic law enforcement issue?

It just seems to me to be pretty clear. But I am by no means a legal scholar. I guess when you have a Supreme Court that can go 5-4 on what the second amendment really means, it should be no surprise to me that how the Posse Comitatus Act is applied, or not applied, would be debatable.

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The Border Patrol has many documented incidents of the Mexican military crossing our border. One, under the Clinton Administration, with which I am familiar involved the Mexican military crossing the U.S./Mexico border (hereinafter border) along with a group of illegal aliens, and using supressing fire against the Border Patrol agents, so that the illegals could enter our country. This happened near Sierra Vista, Az.
My dog Tiny says that the mechanics of the PCA are that a state's governor must make application to the pres, and state that there is a breakdown of law and order that can not be handled by state autority. Then if the pres agrees troops get sent. So it is really up to the pres.
President Clinton's response: nothing, nada, not even a diplomatic note.


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