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post Feb 19 2007, 05:51 PM
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Im wondering when you train a dog to sniff out pheasants and grouse and stuff to train them should you have a shock collar or what type of collar should you have?


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post Feb 23 2007, 12:10 PM
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QUOTE(bowhuntingrules @ Feb 19 2007, 05:51 PM) *

Im wondering when you train a dog to sniff out pheasants and grouse and stuff to train them should you have a shock collar or what type of collar should you have?

well i resently trained a lab to pheasant hunt and i bought a tri tronics coller. and i almost rect the dog so what i learned was try to teach the dog every thing you can with a choke coller. But when it comes to training a dog to find and follow birds. You need to try an do some scent drags. And most of training is the dog learning to use their noses.Try to stay away from e-collor if posible. Because it is fustrating and you might over use it like i have in the past.I hope this helps you. REMEMBER IT TAKES TIME unsure.gif ...
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post Feb 24 2007, 06:03 PM
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I have had friends that have had bird dogs and never used shock collars. Those dogs are great family and hunting dogs. so if you ask me i dont think that you need oe but it is up to you.


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post May 24 2007, 04:18 PM
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I bought a yellow lab a year as a puppy and asked alot of the same questions on how to train the dog and how to get him to flush pheasants. I trained my dog from the 49 day witht the use of the water dog book. There is also a book by the same author for upland training.

After 6 months I sent the dog to training school to get better polished. The trainer taught him pointing aswell as added to my retrieving training. It not only worked he introduced me to the shock collar call Dogtra 1600. It has a vibratoer and a range of 1/4 mile. It allows me to reprimand my dog when he does not obey, and it also tells him I can reach him no matter how far he is.

One year and 4 months later my dog has retrieved over 300 doves, 100 ducks and 35 pheasant.

P.S. Used scents of the animals you are going to hunt with on your dummies. I do this one month before aeach season. It allows him to get use to the scent he will be looking for.


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post Jun 12 2007, 05:45 PM
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i have one but for use only when really needed, like if they spook a rabbit and it darts across a road. I will shock it to make sure it doesn't take off after it.

it also helps when they spook a rabbit in the field and take off after them. I saw one dog go 1/2 mile before he finally gave up. Spend the next hour trying to get him to come back.

It helps but like stated before don't over use it.


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post Jun 14 2007, 12:56 PM
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I have one for my Brit. Really works well if a rabbit or something pops up or a hen. I know some people don't like the idea, but I'd rather get me dog stopped before he heads over a road chasing something, than what could happen. Had a friend lose a dog that way.
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post Jun 14 2007, 07:43 PM
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I think they are one of the most useful tools in training to come along in a long time. They are like a long leash. With that said, a hunter needs to learn how and when to use it. I would go to a professional trainer or someone who has used an e-collar before. A good dog can be ruined in a hurry if an e-collar is misused.
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post Jul 12 2007, 12:57 PM
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Only use it when it is absolutely nessicary


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post Jul 13 2007, 11:20 AM
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Many people have the misconception of the e-collar. The first thing with a collar is it is just that a tool for known commands -not to just slap it on and start pushing buttons thinking the dog will know how to turn the pressure off. Just throwing a collar on a dog without being collar conditioned will more than likely ruin the dog - or cause the dog to bolt - run from the pressure, or cause spinning problems.

The best way to teach the dog is on lead first all the basic Obedience is don then what I like to do is collar condition on the command sit, st is for control that is why I teach it first.

Then I like to move into remote sit, then teach the here command from the remote sit.

Adding distractions is a good way to reinforce the obedience as well.

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post Jul 13 2007, 03:00 PM
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they sound like a good training tool. how much do they run for $?


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